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Am I the only 1 who is noticing that women in a lot of games lately are pretty much only as tall equally men? What’s the signal of this? Male person Shepard looks similar he’southward a good six’2″, 200lbs, nevertheless in conversations with Ashley or any homo female person, he’due south dead-heart level with them. For a game that seems to want to depict the male and female bodies accurately, it’southward a huge contradiction to make the women then tall. I’yard even so very dislocated about why games are doing this. Do people really think it’s sexist? Men beingness visibly larger and taller than women is a biological fact about our species, and making them the aforementioned elevation kind of looks cartoony.

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Most of the women are close or shorter. Ashley makes sense, because she used to be a somewhat manly chick before Bioware went and Miranda’d her. I haven’t noticed with *every* man female. However, I did notice this one female during one mission who was a scrap taller than Shepard and had a gigantic looking head. I wish the 360 had some native way of taking screenshots… I don’t know what happened with the scaling in that location.

And I wouldn’t say they desire to depict bodies accurately, considering every female person still has immaturely proportioned super-tits, including the Fembots.

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This totally got under my skin as well! Besides, why don’t they model PMS for female characters? If they’re trying to exist realistic, shouldn’t there be times when your female crew members endure random debuffs because it’southward that “that time of the month?”

Also, women take lower upper body strength and lower max VO2 than men, so shouldn’t they take to utilise lighter guns and run for shorter periods of time? Also, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN? Are you lot REALLY going to tell me that every single woman on the Citadel uses birth control? Actually, Bioware? Why practise you have to shove your feminist anti-life agenda into EVERYTHING?

 Also, in IRL women are more often than not weepy and less decisive than men, but FemShep’s dialogue is merely as assertive as “actual” Shep’south. This is totally unrealistic and it completely broke immersion in the game for me.

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@Jumanji
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This totally got under my pare likewise! Also, why don’t they model PMS for female characters? If they’re trying to be realistic, shouldn’t there be times when your female coiffure members suffer random debuffs because it’s that “that time of the month?” As well, women have lower upper body strength and lower max VO2 than men, so shouldn’t they have to utilize lighter guns and run for shorter periods of time? Also, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN? Are you REALLY going to tell me that every single woman on the Citadel uses birth control? Actually, Bioware? Why do you accept to shove your feminist anti-life agenda into EVERYTHING?

You make a adept bespeak almost children. The simply kid I’ve seen then far (and I’m 30 hours into the game) is that child who dies on Earth.

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Probably the same reason they had giraffe necks in the first two games. I always causeless information technology was to proceed eyelines the same beyond both genders in dialogue and stuff so they wouldnt have to practise the work twice.

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@Jumanji
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This totally got under my skin too! Also, why don’t they model PMS for female characters? If they’re trying to exist realistic, shouldn’t there be times when your female crew members endure random debuffs because it’south that “that time of the month?” Besides, women have lower upper trunk force and lower max VO2 than men, so shouldn’t they have to use lighter guns and run for shorter periods of fourth dimension? Also, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN? Are y’all REALLY going to tell me that every single adult female on the Citadel uses birth control? Really, Bioware? Why do you take to shove your feminist anti-life agenda into EVERYTHING? Also, in IRL women are by and large weepy and less decisive than men, simply FemShep’s dialogue is merely as assertive as “actual” Shep’due south. This is totally unrealistic and it completely broke immersion in the game for me.

Y’all know you are making a whole lot more than sense than your sarcasm intended.

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@Jumanji
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This totally got under my skin as well! Too, why don’t they model PMS for female characters? If they’re trying to be realistic, shouldn’t at that place be times when your female coiffure members endure random debuffs because it’south that “that fourth dimension of the month?” As well, women have lower upper body strength and lower max VO2 than men, and then shouldn’t they have to utilise lighter guns and run for shorter periods of fourth dimension? Too, WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN? Are you REALLY going to tell me that every single adult female on the Citadel uses nascency command? Really, Bioware? Why do you have to shove your feminist anti-life agenda into EVERYTHING? Also, in IRL women are generally weepy and less decisive than men, but FemShep’s dialogue is but equally believing as “actual” Shep’southward. This is totally unrealistic and it completely broke immersion in the game for me.

Mayhap we can grade a Kickstarter to fund this custom patch?

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Girls dominion why boys drool.

Duh.

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Everything about females in ME, even voices, body language and facial expressions, particularly in ME3 = What Bioware intended because that shit sells, even the fucking Krogan female they did their best job at sexualizing.

They spend so much time and try on that, they forgot to put a manner for a maleShep to romance Vega into the game, but don’t worry, they threw the worst fucking out of place piece of shit character from the fanboy fanfic wank that was the latest Mass Effect “novel” into the game to brand up for it.

 (Permit’southward face it, we’re likewise onetime for this shit.)

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why exercise all the none asari women now have the same hair and similar faces? we may never know

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While on the subject, am I misremembering Mass Effect two or did Dr Chakwas become breast implants ?

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At that place’south a main party member whose proper noun is pronounced “Tall-E”… what practise you lot wait?

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The things people observe to complain about..

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I like how when it deals with homosexuality information technology’s groundbreakingly realistic, only when something stands out as blatantly
unrealistic it’s all for the sake of the game/budget/rest.

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@PhantomGardener
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The things people discover to complain about..

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I’m not sure were this thread is going but information technology bothered me to no end that in Mass Outcome ii all the characters were the same pinnacle. Tali was equally tall as Sheppard when clearly she should be shorter, Mordin was the same peak equally Sheppard when clearly he should’ve been taller and the Krogan of all beings were nonetheless basic pinnacle as Sheppard. It annoyed me during the cutscenes when obviously Bioware has full control over the models behavior. It’southward sorta addressed in Mass Issue iii simply they still oasis’t done the heights correct in game. In one cutscene at the showtime of the game Liara is half a head shorter than Sheppard and and then later on she’due south roughly eye level. Information technology’south a nit picky kind of thing to go bellyaching about but they should have done the heights correct.

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Would y’all argue that FemShep should be shorter than ManShep?

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Less retentivity to use for animations, I call up.  If the male and female person models are only two inches autonomously instead of something normal, like 6 – you lot can more than easily share the blitheness set between them.

 It seems like a mutual flim-flam a lot of people use.

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virtually all characters utilize the aforementioned skeletal rig. You lot start making the women shorter and they accept to realign all the weapon animations and interactions with surfaces and environmental objects…It’due south just more work for something that isn’t all that important.

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@SlashDance
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While on the subject, am I misremembering Mass Issue two or did Dr Chakwas get breast implants ?

I wouldn’t be surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

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@MrKlorox
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There’s a main party fellow member whose name is pronounced “Tall-E”… what exercise you wait?

Tall-Eastward is my new rap name.

Shared rigging between male person and female person characters is a pretty widespread trouble in games, sadly. It’southward also why women in Bethesda’s games accept crazy wide, foursquare shoulders. Even mods tin’t do much to fix that, because all the animations would take to be redone. That’southward almost certainly the reason for this game. Is that a valid excuse? I don’t know. I don’t have the numbers for how much it would toll to modify that. Frankly, I find the awkward jogging blitheness Shepard has when he or she is in his/her casual clothes to be more than distracting.

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Yes… it’south because they use the same base of operations model for pretty much every character and simply build their features into that. This is why Chakwa’s tits are just as robust and good for you equally, say, Traynor’s or another young character. You lot can literally see this in
every single Bioware game
from KOTOR on.

For story justification, remember 2 things. The get-go is that this is the hereafter and plastic surgery has probably reached some sort of singularity, where anyone can expect exactly like they want to. So of grade many females who want to exist taller make themselves then. Likewise remember that almost all of the people y’all meet are military and probably extremely fit and have been from birth, something that can and does make people a little taller.

As a concluding note, I’m exactly half dozen’0 tall. There’southward a girl in my Creative Writing class in college whose breasts are eye level with me. I have to crane my cervix to come across her head (this led to a rather uncomfortable matter when I showtime talked confront to face with her where I looked down for a minute and information technology seemed like I was glancing at her boobs, but didn’t mean to). Yes, believe it or not some women are really tall.

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@Hailinel
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Would you argue that FemShep should be shorter than ManShep?

Male person Shepard looks to exist virtually 6’2″, and then absolutely. Since, you know, women on average are about v inches shorter than men, it’d be safe to assume that Female person Shepard is around 5’8″—and that’s a generous meridian. I retrieve the average height for white women in the United states is v’5″, and men are 5’x”.

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@lord_canti
The asari aren’t female. Asari are asexual.

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It’s because of skeletal rig memory limitations. Non a sexist calendar.

Lamentable, they can’t do height variations just yet. At to the lowest degree not without other huge sacrifices. Mayhap on the next generation of consoles.

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well first this is a fabricated upwards universe, second they are in the future, as far as we know that have super enhanced milk that makes everyone alpine

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This is an issue in about every mod pseudo realistic game with humanoids, almost every NPC is within 2-three inches of each other if not exactly the aforementioned tiptop (unless they’re a gimmicky race like gnomes or dwarves). It’south probably not quite as bad but essentially every NPC in Dragon Age was a palette swap of 2 basic models that were the same height.

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@mpgeist
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Probably the same reason they had giraffe necks in the offset 2 games. I e’er causeless it was to go along eyelines the same beyond both genders in dialogue and stuff so they wouldnt have to do the work twice.

HA, wow, I never thought of that simply that’southward a pretty good signal.

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@Hailinel
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Would you argue that FemShep should exist shorter than ManShep?

Male Shepard looks to be virtually 6’2″, and then admittedly. Since, you know, women on average are nigh v inches shorter than men, it’d be condom to assume that Female person Shepard is around v’8″—and that’due south a generous height. I think the average height for white women in the United States is 5’v”, and men are 5’10”.

Mass Effect humans aren’t modern Americans.

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@lord_canti
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why exercise all the none asari women now take the aforementioned pilus and similar faces? we may never know

It seems worse in ME3, I seem to call up asari in the second not all looking like Liara.

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@SlashDance
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While on the bailiwick, am I misremembering Mass Upshot two or did Dr Chakwas get breast implants ?

I wouldn’t be surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

I’thou starting to think I’m the just one who’s not upset with what they did to Ashley. I consider her new look a fundamental part of the story. When she offset shows upwardly in the game she has merely came out of a meeting with the Alliance Committee. Most people in the type of occupation Ashley is in tend to effort and clean up when going before some form of government. So she let her hair down for the coming together and applied brand upward. Unfortunately game models probably will never be realistic, because if they were then we would exist back to ME 1 Ashley as soon as she hits the battlefield. You can’t exactly apply your mascara while getting shot at y’all know.

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@AndrewB
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Most of the women are close or shorter. Ashley makes sense, because she used to exist a somewhat manly chick before Bioware went and Miranda’d her. I oasis’t noticed with *every* homo female. However, I did detect this one female person during ane mission who was a bit taller than Shepard and had a gigantic looking head. I wish the 360 had some native style of taking screenshots… I don’t know what happened with the scaling there.

And I wouldn’t say they want to depict bodies accurately, considering every female person withal has immaturely proportioned super-tits, including the Fembots.

Aye, basically this. I don’t retrieve they they fifty-fifty considered the whole realistic and proportional asthetics which were nowadays in ME1 and ME2. I was kind of sickened by the opening scene of ME3 where my shepherd when up 2 cup sizes in the chest and looks like she had donkey implants. God, only give me my ME1 fem-shep back please.

Did Bioware possibly hire a large influx of xiv year sometime male boys to their artists positions? Cripes, whoever worked in Biowares fine art department on this game, yous should be ashamed of yourselves if you lot are over 17 years of age.

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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@SlashDance
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While on the subject, am I misremembering Mass Effect 2 or did Dr Chakwas get breast implants ?

I wouldn’t exist surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

I’m starting to think I’m the simply one who’southward not upset with what they did to Ashley. I consider her new await a central role of the story. When she first shows up in the game she has just came out of a meeting with the Alliance Committee. Most people in the type of occupation Ashley is in tend to try and clean upwards when going before some form of authorities. Then she let her pilus downward for the coming together and applied make upward. Unfortunately game models probably will never be realistic, because if they were then we would be back to ME one Ashley equally soon as she hits the battleground. You tin can’t exactly apply your mascara while getting shot at you know.

I don’t know homo, I retrieve they just re-designed her so kids could jack off to her.
Miniskirts, boob-jobs, allow-downwardly hair and botox aren’t what I call getting ready for a governmental position.

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Maybe because tall women are sexy? As well I’k sure there are technical issues behind it.

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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@SlashDance
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While on the discipline, am I misremembering Mass Effect 2 or did Dr Chakwas get chest implants ?

I wouldn’t exist surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

I’m starting to recollect I’thou the only one who’s not upset with what they did to Ashley. I consider her new look a central office of the story. When she commencement shows up in the game she has just came out of a coming together with the Alliance Committee. Most people in the type of occupation Ashley is in tend to try and clean up when going earlier some form of government. So she let her hair downwards for the meeting and practical brand up. Unfortunately game models probably will never be realistic, because if they were then nosotros would exist back to ME 1 Ashley as presently as she hits the battlefield. You lot tin can’t exactly apply your mascara while getting shot at yous know.

I don’t know man, I call up they just re-designed her so kids could jack off to her. Miniskirts, boob-jobs, let-downward pilus and botox aren’t what I call getting prepare for a governmental position.

It really depends how you expect at it personally. At that place is not denying that Bioware redesigned her to have a bigger sex-entreatment. It says so in the Art-book when you look at it. When I play the game I choose to focus more on the story. In my opinion I would like to think that Ashley always looked like that if she let her pilus down and put make up on; however, if you’re looking at it merely from a pattern to entreatment to an audience standpoint then all y’all are going to see is what you lot described.

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Too much time on your hands man.

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While they’re at information technology, why aren’t all the women in the Mass Issue universe in the kitchen? Amirite?!

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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@SlashDance
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While on the subject, am I misremembering Mass Effect 2 or did Dr Chakwas get breast implants ?

I wouldn’t be surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

I’m starting to think I’m the merely one who’s not upset with what they did to Ashley. I consider her new look a central function of the story. When she first shows upwards in the game she has just came out of a coming together with the Brotherhood Committee. Most people in the blazon of occupation Ashley is in tend to endeavour and clean up when going before some form of government. So she permit her hair down for the meeting and applied make up. Unfortunately game models probably volition never be realistic, considering if they were then we would be back to ME 1 Ashley as presently as she hits the battlefield. You can’t exactly apply your mascara while getting shot at you lot know.

I don’t know man, I think they merely re-designed her so kids could jack off to her. Miniskirts, boob-jobs, let-down hair and botox aren’t what I phone call getting ready for a governmental position.

Information technology really depends how you lot look at information technology personally. There is non denying that Bioware redesigned her to have a bigger sex-appeal. It says and so in the Fine art-volume when you await at it. When I play the game I choose to focus more on the story. In my opinion I would similar to call back that Ashley always looked like that if she permit her pilus down and put make upwardly on; nonetheless, if you’re looking at it merely from a design to appeal to an audition standpoint then all yous are going to encounter is what y’all described.

Fair plenty!
I like to think, in my stance, story wise, she fell on hard times and took up a job every bit a porn star, which is the rational reason for her make over in ME3.

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Simple, boots or shoes that have plenty to make them taller.

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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@Delphic
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@Vegetable_Side_Dish
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@SlashDance
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While on the subject, am I misremembering Mass Issue two or did Dr Chakwas get breast implants ?

I wouldn’t be surprised, considering what they did to Ashley.

I’1000 starting to think I’chiliad the just 1 who’s not upset with what they did to Ashley. I consider her new look a central part of the story. When she first shows upward in the game she has only came out of a meeting with the Brotherhood Committee. Virtually people in the type of occupation Ashley is in tend to endeavor and clean up when going before some form of government. So she let her hair downwardly for the meeting and applied brand upwardly. Unfortunately game models probably will never be realistic, because if they were and so we would be dorsum to ME i Ashley every bit soon as she hits the battleground. You tin can’t exactly apply your mascara while getting shot at you lot know.

I don’t know man, I recall they but re-designed her so kids could jack off to her. Miniskirts, boob-jobs, let-downward hair and botox aren’t what I call getting ready for a governmental position.

It really depends how you look at information technology personally. In that location is non denying that Bioware redesigned her to have a bigger sex-appeal. Information technology says so in the Fine art-book when you look at information technology. When I play the game I cull to focus more on the story. In my stance I would like to call back that Ashley always looked like that if she allow her hair downward and put make up on; however, if yous’re looking at it merely from a blueprint to appeal to an audience standpoint then all you lot are going to come across is what you lot described.

Fair plenty! I like to think, in my opinion, story wise, she vicious on hard times and took up a job as a porn star, which is the rational reason for her make over in ME3.

Off-white plenty. 🙂

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Yep that’s the unrealistic part, not the office where people tin travel calorie-free years in space and not have centuries pass by…

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@Milkman
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While they’re at it, why aren’t all the women in the Mass Effect universe in the kitchen? Amirite?!

Considering maxim women are shorter than men is just as sexist every bit saying they can only do house work. Let me select Sammitch on Liara ability wheel. Actually sammitch should totally be an engineer power.

Besides something that has bothered me is that women that are supposed to be these soldiers in games are never really built. They carry heavy equipment but they e’er are so delicate looking.

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@mpgeist
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Probably the aforementioned reason they had giraffe necks in the first two games. I always assumed information technology was to keep eyelines the same across both genders in dialogue and stuff and so they wouldnt take to do the work twice.

Makes sense.

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In the Future, some feminist scientists got together and made the women the same top equally men. Boom!

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Shepard looks near vi’0 180 lbs to me.

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@big_jon
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Shepard looks about 6’0 180 lbs to me.

Yea, FemShep’southward a big daughter.

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@Jep
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Am I the only 1 who is noticing that women in a lot of games lately are pretty much simply as tall as men? What’s the point of this? Male Shepard looks similar he’s a good 6’two”, 200lbs, yet in conversations with Ashley or any human female, he’s dead-center level with them. For a game that seems to desire to describe the male and female bodies accurately, it’s a huge contradiction to make the women so tall. I’m withal very confused about why games are doing this. Practice people really think it’s sexist? Men being visibly larger and taller than women is a biological fact about our species, and making them the same top kind of looks cartoony.

Sadly, I think people actually practise think it’s sexist to assume women are shorter. It’s really pathetic that political correctness has come to the signal where ignoring biological traits of our species is actually encouraged. What I would consider a like scenario is the narrator of a nature documentary saying, “Male person lions can weigh as much five hundred and fifty pounds; females, upward to four hundred. But not every panthera leo’s weight has been recorded, and so we’re not going to be sexist and say that male lions are generally larger, because that would injure the female lions’ feelings.”

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@Jep
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I like women, but hasn’t it become cartoony and ridiculous to pretend they tin can physically do what men can do? I’m being asked to believe that a adult female has been “in the trenches” fighting alongside men with four times her forcefulness. Information technology’s almost disrespectful to women. There might be a non-PC stat out in that location that says almost women who actually take a genuine desire to exist a soldier are lesbians. You lot have to laissez passer multiple strength tests and exist able to carry every member of your squad to be on the front end lines, and Female person Shepard is built like a fashion model. This politically correct stuff is getting fashion too intense. It would make perfect sense to depict a futurity in which just as many women are scientists/engineers, but a great bulk of actual soldiers still men. I think real sexism is pretending women in general can even exercise a fraction of what men can physically, because information technology’southward pure fantasy.


@Jep
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‘m not certain, but I would say countries that allow women in serious combat do and then on limited basis. It could also exist argued that our deprival of women in front line gainsay is 1 of the very reasons nosotros have the strongest military. I’m kind of speechless that people perceive the statement of FACTS most women or minorities as being sexist/racist. Information technology’s a fact that I’m typing right now; it’s likewise a fact that women are inherently far less stiff and aggressive than men. People like you tin’t get your heads around uncomfortable facts about people who aren’t white men. It’due south actually kind of pathetic, to be honest. You’re asking all these questions that I answered in my original post. Why can’t women fight on the forepart lines? Because that’south asking a strong military to use precious time and resources to include in combat a section of the population that requires much more grooming to achieve what men tin can. It was probably concluded long ago that women would only be too much of a brunt for what the endeavour to include them would exist worth. Your opinion nearly this is similar someone saying, “I think the armed forces discriminates against cripples. They should allow people with no legs to fight. Everyone is equal!” It’s ridiculous.

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In that location’southward less gravity in space to compress them down.

That and something technical about modeling, animation, and characters interacting with the environment being easier if everyone is the same height. Maybe?


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